Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: It's 3:30 in the morning, you're sleeping your residence with your loved ones and your family and somebody breaks in. What can you do? Can you defend yourself? Can you defend your family? Is it allowed in Canada? We will discuss what your rights are and what's legal and not legal. And Las Vegas is not the destination it once was and Canadians are staying away and want nothing to do with it. We'll discuss with TPL's Mike Wixon.
Foreign I'm Jim and we're here to talk about something that's gone viral across the country and across North America. Mike, there's a fascinating story. It was 3:30 in the morning in Lindsay, Ontario and a man is asleep in his apartment and of course at 3:30 in the morning people are pretty much at their deep asleep and someone breaks in. He defends himself.
Of course the intruders charged but the homeowner, the resident's been charged with aggravated assault.
[00:00:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:00] Speaker A: Now here's the story. He's the homeowner is 44. The intruder, a 41 year old Lindsay Mann was already wanted by police at the time of the incident. Now he's facing additional charges of possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose, break and enter and theft, mischief under 5000 and failure to comply with probation. He was on probation.
What's happened is the individual who defended himself broke a long standing Canadian law that most Canadians don't understand. Under Canadian law individuals have the right to defend themselves in the property. However, it's important to understand that these rights are not unlimited in Canada. The law requires that any defensible action be proportionate to the threat they are faced.
[00:01:42] Speaker B: Yeah, which I Section 34 of the Criminal code says that you believe you have reasonable grounds defending protecting yourself or other persons.
The act to commit is expected to be reasonable in the circumstances.
[00:01:57] Speaker A: Now here's, and I understand that and I'm not for one saying that we should become like America. And just the second we hear someone in our house they're pulling out shotguns and blasting away. But I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who at 3:30 in the morning is dead asleep and discovers someone's broken into their place.
All of a sudden you go from dead asleep to all your adrenaline and all your fear are going full speed and your fight or flight, that's instinct, that's not thinking, that's your subconscious. Like I have to defend myself. And you're not thinking about all the statutes in Canadian law that says you have to de escalate, use the Most minimal amount of force possible. You're just thinking, I just want to survive.
[00:02:37] Speaker B: I think most of us don't know where you can vape and not vape, let alone understand what's going on with the criminal code at any given time.
[00:02:43] Speaker A: Especially 3:30 in the morning.
[00:02:45] Speaker B: It's interesting to me that charges were laid against this individual because there must have been some sort of judgment call on the part of police that would say, okay, this guy went too far, we have to charge him. What was. Is there any word on that circumstance?
[00:03:05] Speaker A: Yeah. So Kirk Robinson, he is the chief of the Kortha Lakes police and Chief Robertson surveys 37 officers. It's a small police force. Kawartha Lakes is a rural part of central Ontario.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: Boy, they got a lot of press.
[00:03:17] Speaker A: Right now, more than they've ever had. And Robertson's defending his office, saying they did an investigation. They examined all the information and evidence available before they lay charges. So they looked at what happened, what the homeowner did, his response and what he did before they laid charges. I can't imagine the chief and his officers would lay these kind of charges against the person who was in their apartment at the time. Just willy nilly. They. Absolutely, I would. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and say the investigating officers went to great lengths to do their.
[00:03:48] Speaker B: Due diligence to find out.
[00:03:49] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. But this has been a raw nerve subject across Canada, especially in Ontario. There has been such a rash of home invasions, carjackings break and enters, theft. There is a real fear among the populace for a lot of people that they say, wait a sec, I'm not even safe in my own home and I can't defend myself.
[00:04:08] Speaker B: 57% of Canadians feel that they are less safe than they were even just one year ago.
[00:04:14] Speaker A: 57, yeah.
[00:04:16] Speaker B: So that's a pretty significant response to that.
Now I will say this. I can see where a court, court might say, okay, somebody broke in and you killed the perpetrator of that crime in a malicious or vicious manner. But I, I have to agree with you and I think most people would. If you wake me up at 3 o' clock in the morning, I don't know what guy you're gonna get.
[00:04:37] Speaker A: Right? And that I think that's especially with.
[00:04:40] Speaker B: The mindset that three cars were stolen in my neighborhood in the last week, that there was an assault just the night before in downtown Toronto and three murders over the weekend.
[00:04:50] Speaker A: Well, one of the saddest stories we've seen in southern Ontario in the last few years was an 8 year old boy killed by a stray bullet.
[00:04:57] Speaker B: Our mind. And Vancouver has the same issues. Edmonton is full of it.
[00:05:01] Speaker A: Halifax, Montreal, every city in Canada, coast to coast.
[00:05:04] Speaker B: Crime seems to be on the rise in a, in a massive way. And our mindset now, yes, is be on the alert, protect yourself, watch over your family more. And now what we're experiencing is what the extremity of that law can, can represent in that scenario.
[00:05:22] Speaker A: I, I understand that if you read story after story, you hear story after story of breaking enters and crimes and carjackings and home invasions, violent home invasions. It's in your subconscious and you're dead asleep at your most tired at 3 in the morning. REM sleep, rapid eye movement.
And all of a sudden you're woken out of the deep sleep to someone in your apartment, in your house. And every fear is like, flooded into your system with your adrenaline.
[00:05:50] Speaker B: A buddy of mine, I remembered this very clearly. He was only married about a year and a half and something startled him in the night and he woke up and he screamed at the top of his lungs, and now you're gonna die.
And terrified his wife. And she said, was it a dream?
Whatever startled him, he woke up out of a dream and a start. And he said he remembers clearly, he was ready, fully adrenalized to fight. And it might have been a cat running across the roof, but it terrified his wife. And he said he's never forgotten that feeling when he woke up.
[00:06:24] Speaker A: And Mike, I think if the Incident happens at 3 in the afternoon and you're in your apartment and maybe you have your afternoon tea or coffee, you're doing some work from home and this happens, your mindset and your attitude and how you handle it is completely different than out of a deep sleep at three in the morning and you're like, oh, hey, wait a sec, that's where you de escalate. You're having a conversation, you're talking about what's going on, but at three in the morning that's not the first thing that comes in your mind.
[00:06:51] Speaker B: I think this is a tough call for the police. Like, like you say, I think a certain amount of investigation was done. It's salacious at the surface to say defend yourself and you could go to jail. Right? But that's a salacious headline.
[00:07:03] Speaker A: That's the, that's the lazy way to frame the story.
[00:07:06] Speaker B: So what really happened there I think will become more relevant, you know, and more apparent as it goes to court and that sort of thing. Of course we will have forgotten it long by, but it does lead me to think that the discussion of this really is how to defend yourself is one thing. Why are we in this scenario?
[00:07:26] Speaker A: See, now that's a great question. Because when you see all the stories, Mike, about so and so was charged, they were out on bail, so and so was charged, they were on probation, so and so is charged. This is their third or fourth crime.
[00:07:40] Speaker B: We live in a nation where we don't have enough prisons.
[00:07:42] Speaker A: No, not at all.
[00:07:43] Speaker B: We live in a nation where you cannot put somebody away for a crime because we don't have the room for it, no matter what the crime is. And now I'm seeing that our court system is taking into account whether you're in the midst of getting your immigration status in Canada and how your crime could affect that. Yes, your, your crime should definitely affect that. Your crime should definitely get you a no pass on citizenship. Instead, what we're doing is making it easier for people to walk around these charges so that they can still complete their immigration process.
[00:08:19] Speaker A: My grandfather, my in laws and everyone who immigrated this country came here trying to be law abiding citizens and realizing coming to Canada was a privilege, not a right. They left war torn countries that were impoverished. They left situations where they had no hope. And this was the land of milk and honey coming to Canada.
No wars in our soils, a safe place. A lot of people for years in this country didn't even lock their front door at night.
[00:08:46] Speaker B: Now we have disputes that have come from other countries that have arrived on our shores with daily. And it's incredible the amount of hatred there is among people that are new to Canada, with other people that are new to Canada. There's old tribal issues, old cultural issues, old, you know, old grudges that are brought here. That becomes part of the problem. The gang scenario is enormous at the moment in Canada.
[00:09:15] Speaker A: I think the gang scenario and the gang situation is a thousand times more of an issue than any immigration questions we might have in this country because.
[00:09:25] Speaker B: They might be tied to one another.
[00:09:26] Speaker A: Well, the problem is if, but we're not addressing it. If I'm an adult, I can recruit 13, 14, 15 year old boys to execute violent crimes knowing they're not going to do time because of the Youth Justice Act.
[00:09:39] Speaker B: Right.
[00:09:39] Speaker A: And their hands are free. Nothing ties to them.
[00:09:43] Speaker B: Well, now we know Jim Lang's method of crime. He uses underage people. Okay, I heard you loud and clear, Jim Lang. I just, I think that, that, that this ongoing.
[00:09:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:52] Speaker B: Malaise of fear that we have in our own country is what's leading To a guy getting up at 3 o' clock in the morning and almost killing somebody.
[00:10:00] Speaker A: And it doesn't matter. Mainstream media block site, website, news radio. There's no way to escape the stories no matter what.
You know, whether you will listen to CBC Radio every day or you listen to mainstream media, you can't escape these stories in Canadian media now on or the Internet, your Facebook.
[00:10:18] Speaker B: What's this guy's name and what's going to happen to him next?
[00:10:21] Speaker A: I don't know the gentleman's name, I think. I'm not sure his name.
[00:10:24] Speaker B: You know what, we'll find that out and I'll put it in the description.
[00:10:27] Speaker A: Yeah, but I know Joe Warmington of the Toronto sun has written about, they're trying to. Different people want to set up a GoFundMe for his legal fund. But I think this is a bigger picture thing for the country as a whole about the future of the criminal code. What can you do? What can't you do? What should you not do? And I think it's a good way to educate us as Canadians that. But if someone breaks in, you can't just start blasting away with a hunting rifle or throw knives at them. There is a limit to what you can do to protect yourself.
[00:10:57] Speaker B: Do you think that the criminal code needs to be rewritten to allow for more force to be used in that scenario?
[00:11:06] Speaker A: You know, it's a very good question, Mike, because most people, I've talked to people in the military and talked to police officers. The average person without proper training really doesn't know how to use a weapon.
[00:11:16] Speaker B: Have you ever fired a gun?
[00:11:17] Speaker A: I have.
[00:11:18] Speaker B: It's almost impossible to hit a target.
[00:11:20] Speaker A: And it's, it's loud, it's scary.
As a matter of fact, the, the only movie that really portrays it properly is Collateral Damage with Tom Cruise.
And he's in the alleyway and he shoots the guys. And director Michael Mann made the sound as real as you would in a real gunfight. And when you're in the theater, like it shocks you how loud it is. So a lot of people don't understand like if the bullet misses the target, it keeps going, it doesn't stop. That that's where like you innocent people get hit and hurt and killed. So I don't want the idea of Canadians arming themselves coast to coast to prevent this. However, I think we should be taking the fact it's 3:30 in the morning, someone's in your house, you may have a baby in the other room sleeping, you'll do anything to protect your family at that point, because your mind's not thinking clearly.
[00:12:09] Speaker B: I think the criminal code is protecting criminals. And I think that we do need to have another look at how you can defend yourself. And I would like to just say this, hats off to the, to our police enforcement out there with laws that are just leading us back to no place with these criminals that are allowing criminals back out on the road. Well, these people are trying to do their jobs and protect us.
They don't have the means. There is, there's, there's no court system that is able to put criminals in jail. We don't have the jailing system. The whole thing is broken. And what it leads to is somebody innocently sleeping in their bed getting charged.
[00:12:48] Speaker A: Mike, there are officers from coast to coast that will tell you they've arrested the same people three, four and five times.
And, and you know, that's what they deal with. You wonder why the officers across the country are stressed and have anxiety and depression. They're frustrated because they're like, I've arrested this person four or five times. They keep getting arrested. But at the same time, I've, I've known some pretty tough police officers around this country and they'll tell you some of those holdings, detention centers, they are rough places and they actually, they understand why they're giving credit for time serve, waiting on their trial because it's so overcrowded and it's such a rough place.
[00:13:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I think the overcrowding is an issue. We need to solve this, I think, systemically. Yeah.
[00:13:31] Speaker A: At all levels of government.
[00:13:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so.
[00:13:33] Speaker A: Now, at the same time, Las Vegas, Sin City, the happy place for many Canadians has hit hard times. Their tourism rate for Canadians have gone down so much that hotels, restaurants, bars, everyone that makes money in Las Vegas and casinos have taken a big hit. This is one of the worst years in Las Vegas, a recent memory because Canadians have said, thanks, but no thanks. They're not going.
[00:13:58] Speaker B: You were in Vegas recently, okay, it.
[00:14:02] Speaker A: Was our 25th anniversary and we were renewing our vows and we had paid for this before Trump got elected, before the talk of the.
[00:14:10] Speaker B: I'm not judging. I'm not judging.
[00:14:11] Speaker A: So we, we went and renewed, but we, we had never really spent any time in Vegas before. We realized Vegas is expensive, okay? So expensive.
[00:14:20] Speaker B: I don't want you to bury the headline on what you were doing in Vegas. You went there to renew your vows. Tell us more about that experience.
[00:14:26] Speaker A: Okay.
I'm a big Elvis Presley guy. So we renewed our vows at one of those Elvis Chapels where the guy sings and he's got the sideburns. It's really good.
[00:14:36] Speaker B: Really good.
[00:14:36] Speaker A: Yeah. So Elvis Chapel, and we made a weekend of it. We saw the Eagles at the Sphere and went to the Grand Canyon.
[00:14:42] Speaker B: How is the Sphere? That looks incredible. Mike.
[00:14:45] Speaker A: I don't care what kind of music you like. I am pleading with you people, no matter what music you like, if you have a chance to see anything at the Sphere in Vegas, go.
I've never heard sound so perfect in my life.
[00:14:57] Speaker B: Except don't, because I think Canada's boycotting or something.
[00:15:01] Speaker A: Yeah, okay. Boycott's over. Yeah, yeah, after the boycott's over. But if you ever get a chance to go to the Sphere, post Trump. Yeah, definitely go.
[00:15:09] Speaker B: But with all of this there, all of these amazing things to do and now the Sphere and you know, Vegas has really made an effort to make it a family destination.
[00:15:19] Speaker A: NHL team, NFL team right there. They got everything there.
[00:15:22] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's really developing. As you know, communities are, are building around it.
Las Vegas saw 11% year over year decline in visitors in June. That's just in June.
[00:15:33] Speaker A: That's their peak.
[00:15:35] Speaker B: This is stunning.
Canadian tourists contributed to approximately $3.6 billion to Nevada's economy, economy last year and supported over 43,000 jobs.
[00:15:46] Speaker A: Well, I mean, you think about it, for a lot of Canadians, we were there in late February. It's 25 degrees.
[00:15:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:52] Speaker A: It goes down to about 18 at night. The weather in the end of February is perfect. It's a great break from winter.
And they go there. They go for the guys weekend, the girls weekend, the bachelorette, the stag. They go for conventions.
[00:16:05] Speaker B: I was going to say it is a major convention center.
[00:16:08] Speaker A: And a lot of those conventions are now going to a resort town in Northern Ontario, Lake Louise Golf Course in Nova Scotia. They're going anywhere but Las Vegas.
[00:16:18] Speaker B: Now here's some other stats from the U.S. right now. July, Canadian auto travel to the U.S. is down 36% year over year. July, Canadian air travel to the U.S. down 25%. May return trips to the U.S.
that means people came to Canada.
[00:16:35] Speaker A: Yeah, only.
[00:16:36] Speaker B: And it's down 31%. How many people went back?
[00:16:39] Speaker A: Look, Vegas is expensive at the best of times. Anyone's been out to somewhere nice. It's. You don't go all the time. It's a destination place. It's a place where you go with friends or family in that to have fun or you go in a convention and it's a. It's a place to spend money. And Canadians aren't shy about spending their money in Las Vegas. But when you wrong us, when you insult us, when you cross the line, hell hath no fury as Canadians who felt they've been wrong. And now we're like, we're not going there. We're not going to Florida. Florida. We're not going to the Poconos. We're not going to Coeur d', Alene, Idaho. We're not going. We're going to stay in Canada or go to Europe or the Caribbean.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: You know, this last stack got me $2.1 billion this summer, or 14,000 jobs were the effect on the US and Quebec trip cancellations.
$3.3 billion. 3 billion in Canadian loss. So Quebec canceled over $3 billion worth of US.
[00:17:41] Speaker A: Think about travel, the border towns. Fall is back to school. Shopping. Yeah, it's good. Thanksgiving getaways, maybe, and then it's Christmas shopping. Fall is such a busy time for shoppers in the border towns. Canadians going over there getting, you know, unique gifts, getting those presents for the holidays or whatever it is, and they're like, I'm not doing that. And that's. Those border towns are getting crushed.
[00:18:07] Speaker B: And then the destinations like Florida.
[00:18:10] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:18:11] Speaker B: You know, the amount of Canadians selling homes in Florida has risen to new, new, new proportions. And, you know, you talk about Vegas. That place was built to attract.
First of all, did you gamble when you're in Vegas, Jim? Really?
[00:18:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm a. I'm a low budget, lightweight gambler. Of course I did.
[00:18:27] Speaker B: Was it under $500?
[00:18:29] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Well, under.
[00:18:30] Speaker B: Vegas doesn't need you.
They need people who are actually gambling or, or spending money.
And a percentage of that needs to go through the casinos.
So they spent a lot of money creating an environment where you would bring your whole family, where you would spend more time, where you would spend more than just two days gambling and get out of town.
[00:18:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:50] Speaker B: So that they could extract more of those dollars. This is a very fine margin as I understand it. And so every day they lose really has a massive impact on human life. There's the economy, the jobs, the quality of life, what can stay open, the businesses, small businesses. All of that in a very short time crumbles in a town that relies on people putting money in slot machines.
[00:19:13] Speaker A: And I know, Mike for a fact, it's only going to get worse because I have so many friends and so many family that have already canceled Vegas trips, Florida trips, whatever trip. They're going to Cuba. They're going to the Dominican Republic. They're going to.
They might be once I have a friend that's in Portugal, another one, they went to Ireland with their family.
[00:19:32] Speaker B: Meanwhile, the Europeans are saying, okay, tourists.
[00:19:35] Speaker A: Stay away, except the Canadians.
[00:19:38] Speaker B: Is that true? I hope that that's true.
[00:19:40] Speaker A: I think it is true because the friends I've had been Europe said they had a great experience. But Canadians are like, you offended us. You deeply offended us.
[00:19:48] Speaker B: How dare you.
[00:19:49] Speaker A: And we're going to spend our money elsewhere until you get your act together. And the average American, the taxi driver, the waitress in a restaurant, the line cook in a place, everyone who's affected by the economy of tourism, they're the ones that bearing the brunt of the decisions by people in Capitol Hill.
[00:20:07] Speaker B: And it's all the rotten stuff that Donald Trump's involved in, like casinos, Atlantic.
[00:20:11] Speaker A: City, florals, golf courses.
[00:20:14] Speaker B: It's really affecting his world more than anything, I'm sure. As far as Canadians anticipating, well, I.
[00:20:19] Speaker A: Have friends who are golf fanatics and they've canceled all their U.S. golf trips. They're going to BC, northern Quebec, they're going to anywhere in Canada. They're going to, they're going to Scotland. They're spending all that money elsewhere. Not in a golf trip in Florida or West Virginia or Nevada.
[00:20:36] Speaker B: You know, if you go to the Yukon at this time of the year, you can golf at 4 o' clock in the morning.
[00:20:40] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:20:40] Speaker B: And by the way, like, you have friends. I also have friends, degenerate gambling friends that are not missing Vegas one bit. Gambling in Ontario and many other provinces is so prevalent now. And online gambling. So if you don't have to go to Vegas, if you are a degenerate gambler. And by the way, hello, family. If you are.
If you are a degenerate gambler, I'm just joking. Not all of them are.
You have other means, by the way. A lot of them support the local economy.
[00:21:11] Speaker A: So let's say, I'm glad you brought that up. So Ram a gaming house casino, Montreal. The casinos out in the Prairies, coast to coast.
[00:21:20] Speaker B: You got the Hard Rock in Ottawa. Right.
[00:21:23] Speaker A: Halifax Casino, right in the harbor.
[00:21:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:25] Speaker A: Vancouver.
[00:21:25] Speaker B: So this I've got, I've got right here.
What's this one? Oh, oh, oh. I've got three different. I don't even gamble. I've got three of them right here on my phone.
[00:21:35] Speaker A: Right.
[00:21:35] Speaker B: Fanduel. Like all of this is accessible.
[00:21:38] Speaker A: So you have that.
A lot of the casinos now have music amphitheaters. Shania Twain, Cheryl Crow, ZZ Top, Brian Adams. You don't even have to look. They're all coming here.
[00:21:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:48] Speaker A: So you've got the music, you've got stand up comics, you've got the magicians, you've got the gambling. A lot of that is coast to coast from Vancouver to Halifax. All points in between are like, wait a sec, why am I spending my money in Vegas? I could just do it locally and have the same fun.
[00:22:04] Speaker B: Now ask me why I feel bad for Vegas.
[00:22:06] Speaker A: Why do you feel bad for Vegas?
[00:22:07] Speaker B: Because it's not their fault.
[00:22:09] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:22:10] Speaker B: They built a place that Canadians like to go to.
[00:22:12] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: That's kind of iconic.
Everybody I know growing up was like, you know, hey man, I'm 21. I'm going to Vegas. Right.
[00:22:19] Speaker A: And have a boys weekend or girls weekend.
[00:22:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:21] Speaker A: And like the hangover, your version of it.
[00:22:23] Speaker B: Right.
[00:22:24] Speaker A: And then come back and I had a great time in Vegas.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: Meanwhile, you had three too many drinks the night before and got up too early. Started.
Right.
You do have one too.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:35] Speaker B: And by the way, it says tcb taking care of business.
[00:22:38] Speaker A: As I recall, it's my Elvis tattoo.
[00:22:40] Speaker B: So there you go. Another tribute to Elvis. I do hope that Vegas makes the comeback, that Atlantic City and these other destinations become a place that we feel comfortable again. But when you go to Vegas and it's $9 for a drink that was like, you know, or $60 for a.
[00:22:55] Speaker A: Steak dinner, it's so expensive now.
[00:22:57] Speaker B: It used to be a place that you went to and you got a good value and you had fun where it needs to readjust. I hope Vegas can do it. We're pulling for you.
Meanwhile, it does seem that, you know, these tariffs that don't add up to much more than discussion have really had an effect on the US it's the.
[00:23:15] Speaker A: Tariffs, Mike, but it's the, it's the insulting talk of 51st state. And I don't, I don't know why.
[00:23:22] Speaker B: We'Re insulted to be invited to a party.
[00:23:24] Speaker A: So I don't think they understood how deeply offensive that is to Canadians that they even suggest that. And they're still feeling the fallout from that. And governors and mayors and business leaders are begging the U. S. Administration to get their act together because they are losing billions of dollars of tax review because Canadians are staying away in droves.
[00:23:48] Speaker B: I was just inviting people to take part. I thought that the Canadians would like to be part of the, part of the party that's all Jim Lang.
[00:23:54] Speaker A: So here's Jim Lang doesn't like it.
[00:23:56] Speaker B: I've heard he's one of those guys that he's all sovereignty, sovereignty, sovereignty, all Right.
[00:24:00] Speaker A: Here's even bigger question.
He'll. Eventually he'll be out of office.
[00:24:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:05] Speaker A: The wounds that he's created, they're not going to heal automatically. And it's going to take a while before Canadians start to ease their way back into going to Florida in the winter or going to Vegas for a long weekend or something like that because of what's happened. And a lot of Canadians are discovering, wait a sec. I like going to the Muskokas. I like the Laurentians in Quebec. I went to Cape Britain and Gulf. I went to the. The shoe swaps in the cologne, the Okanagan. It was amazing. I went to Lake Louise. I've never seen anything more beautiful in my life. And they're like, canada's awesome. I'm going to spend more money here.
[00:24:35] Speaker B: Your patriotism warms my heart, Jim.
[00:24:37] Speaker A: No, but it's. For years, we're like, meh, meh, meh, meh, man. And now you hear all these people, like, you know what? I really enjoyed that.
[00:24:44] Speaker B: You know, let's see our own country until we're sick of it and we've made it more beautiful and we've taken more care of it, and then we'll go back to travel. What do you say?
[00:24:52] Speaker A: Then we can, you know, spend a little bit of time down there if you have to, you know, like, okay, whatever.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I am pulling for Vegas and all these other places. I hope that we get back to.
[00:25:01] Speaker A: Them soon, but it's not going to be for a while. Not this calendar year, and probably not for a few years at least.
[00:25:07] Speaker B: So if you're looking on a deal to Vegas, I'm not saying you should really support our economy and our. And our notions.
[00:25:14] Speaker A: He's the man. Mike, I'm Jim. Thanks for watching.
[00:25:17] Speaker B: Thanks, buddy.
[00:25:21] Speaker A: Sam.
